Except that definition had an absence of evidence.

When they worked, it was from dawn to dusk doing hard labour.

Read Witold Rybczynksi’s Home when he talks about medieval life, pages 24 - 36 in my copy.

And if the harvest wasn’t good, they died because the Lord took his tithe regardless.

That’s how feudalism worked.

And that’s not to mention the household labour, all of which we take for granted (consider chopping wood every time you wanted heat, mending clothes or the ridiculous process of cleaning them.)

These are pretty self evident. Unless you think they had chainsaws and washing machines in the dark ages?

The only stuff that’s counted in that 150 days silliness is working the land which was only a portion of their real labour.

This is linked in the source I already provided, you can look at the original study: https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

Here were my claims:

When they worked, it was from dawn to dusk doing hard labour. And if the harvest wasn’t good, they died because the Lord took his tithe regardless.

And that’s not to mention the household labour, all of which we take for granted (consider chopping wood every time you wanted heat, mending clothes or the ridiculous process of cleaning them.) Or looking after farm animals etc. The only stuff that’s counted in that 150 days silliness is working the land which was only a portion of their real labour.

With which of these claims do you disagree?

Is this just your way of saying “I refuse to read the article” ?

They simply point out that the 150 days nonsense comes from a study that ignores large swathes of labour. You are welcome to look at the original study, which they link.

It’s pretty basic stuff. Yet again, with what specific part do you disagree? I’m not wild about searching through academia for a probable source troll

When you refuse to engage with the material in a meaningful sense, not just “I dislike the source and that’s enough for me!” It doesn’t really inspire any hope this will be a productive conversation.

Again, what is the specific point with which you disagree? Please provide a claim of theirs with which you disagree.

Edit: Also, fyi, you also mean whose. Who’s = who is.

Which of their claims or points do you feel is inaccurate?

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/regulation-industry/medieval-peasants-really-did-not-work-only-150-days-a-year#amp_tf=From %251%24s&aoh=17104671983190&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adamsmith.org%2Fblog%2Fregulation-industry%2Fmedieval-peasants-really-did-not-work-only-150-days-a-year

Pedalling while the engine is doing the work isn’t really the same cardiovascular workout.

I really appreciate that response and I think it’s a good example of what I love about Lemmy.

In my head, the thread was about OP’s addition to the image, which was “whoever invented the 8 hour 5 day work week is Satan.” Where, ehhh, 8 hour work day feels like an improvement on most of history.

Original image, I more agree with you. I think we do have technological surplus that could be better allocated towards labour/leisure/all our modern conveniences. But, I am keenly aware it is capitalism/civilization/whatever that got us here.

You okay? I wrote about pre agrarian societies and you went with a semi hinged rant about capitalism and billionaires?

If you meant to respond to my point though, I’m super curious how you think a society where almost everyone spends their work time getting food ALSO develops the luxuries of modern life, like a washing machine. Everyone work 2 jobs? That seems pretty against the whole free time thing. So, uhhh, help from Aliens or Jesus?

That’s mostly a silly meme that’s been seized upon.

When they worked, it was from dawn to dusk doing hard labour. And if the harvest wasn’t good, they died because the Lord took his tithe regardless.

And that’s not to mention the household labour, all of which we take for granted (consider chopping wood every time you wanted heat, mending clothes or the ridiculous process of cleaning them.) Or looking after farm animals etc. The only stuff that’s counted in that 150 days silliness is working the land which was only a portion of their real labour.

Your office job is incompatible with the pre-agrarian lifestyle you described earlier.

You don’t get modern luxuries AND the minimal hours required as a hunter gatherer, just as I can’t get the speed of my car AND the cardiovascular benefits of my bike simultaneously.

Admittedly, they were completely at the mercy of disease, herd migration, had no plumbing, buried astounding numbers of their children, were not the apex predator, didn’t have mattresses and when injuries happened they often healed poorly and painfully.

It’d be weird after half a century of tv, if suddenly in the 2010s it somehow escalated all the self harm/suicide stats.

This might help you understand the issue with reddit, which apparently has yet to ever cover its operating costs within a year:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2024/02/26/reddits-ipo-filing-shows-lots-of-losses-after-nearly-20-years/

Kind of eye opening, even if you vaguely understood the situation beforehand.

I think you’re misunderstanding my point.

You can still use reddit for free, that won’t change. That is because to reddit you are cattle, the product, what is being sold.

And as long as you are a product, reddit is going to extract as much value from you as they can. It’s why their valuation is in the billions, you are lucrative cattle. And qs someone who has wrangled that cattle, spez is taking his cut.

These are sites premised on free labour but the end user pays nothing to enjoy the site.

As much value is created by those volunteers, the operating/dev costs are very real and can’t just be hand waved away.

Probably very unpopular thoughts but…

A) How many of us wouldn’t angle for an almost 200 million dollar payout? Seriously? All of us are too good for that?

B) Social media like reddit is basically free for users and costs way more than most of us could afford to run. We probably need to figure out some middle ground where people expect to pay a few pennies for something they use for hours a day. Unfortunately, advertising etc has conditioned/conned people into thinking everything should be “free” and with ads.

Yeah, i get how capitalism works and yes, I do feel them kids should lose their arms getting my clothes and/or phone’s cobalt.

Are these real pictures? I’ve only ever had the one cat but have never seen her have any interest in apples or stacking or anything. Amazing pics regardless.