• Ech@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    From that very series: Walter White vs Skyler White. The public perception of both was quite disperate, considering one was a housewife and the other was a murderous, aspiring drug lord.

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      1 year ago

      A lot of female characters all do he same thing; The protagonist men are getting up to shenanigans and their loved ones are telling them to stop it for the sake of love and / or responsibility. The thing is that as the audience we’re entirely there for the shenanigans because that’s there the action or tension takes place.

      Suddenly you have a character that is telling the protagonist to refuse the call to adventure which results in delaying the excitement, it’s a recipe that’s makes the audience associate the character with boring parts of the show, especially in breaking bad where the relationship is depicted as an old marriage with no romance left, nobody is rooting for it.

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        1 year ago

        I’m very aware of the trope. That doesn’t justify the level of disdain shown in comments like the one jackoneill so eloquently shared on this very thread.

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          I agree, I suppose the root of what I meant was that the hatred Skyler gets is half blatant misogyny and half because she’s written to be the fun police.

          I remember when the TV show Arcane was coming out, there were lots of judgemental comments towards a character called Caitlin, but 3/4 of the main characters of that show are women and the others didn’t see similar hate, but it was Caitlin who often made the lawful and restrainted decisions.

          Although I also agree that if the character of Caitlin was a man instead, they’d have gotten much less hate.

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      1 year ago

      Have you considered that the perspective may be driven by the former being the protagonist, while the latter is not?

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      Flawed female characters get called Mary Sues lmao

      If someone thinks Rey is a Mary Sue and Luke Skywalker is not, they need their head examined.

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        1 year ago

        Rey’s only flaw was her acting. Lol “flawed”.

        And Luke is not a Gary stu. He’s a Padawan who happened to have an emotional connection to the bad guy he could leverage. If you actually watch the OT you realize that Luke is straight bad at being a Jedi.

        Rey is the most perfect person ever who don’t need no Jedi master to ruin her yass girl vibe.

        I could write a thesis on why only people with brain rot compare the two.

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      People love flawed male characters and are willing to forgive them almost all missteps, but don’t treat female characters with flaws the same way.

      To keep with the show the meme originates from: Think Walter white, the viewer is suckered into his thinking and supports most of his shit until he goes really off the rails. During rewatches of the show it is much more obvious that Walt is a piece of shit who can’t leave well enough alone out of personal pride.

      Meanwhile skyler is almost universally hated during the first watch. That whore who fucked Ted and keeps messing up Walt’s plans? Fuck her.

      And then you watch it again and realize she’s just a normal woman trying to cope with an egomaniac husband and to keep her kids safe from his crime escapades.