• Maple Engineer@lemmy.world
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    The biggest danger to US democracy is not Donald Trump or the Project 2025 christofascists, it’s the crushing ignorance of the US population. The gutting of the public education system means that many if not most Americans don’t understand that, “fascist” isn’t just a name like, “poopie head” that you call someone. It has a definition and clearly defined policies/behaviours that closely align with Trump/Vance/Johnston and their enablers. Communist and Marxist are very clearly defined things. Harris/Walz are pro business which means they are definitely NOT communists or Marxists.

    If the US population were better educated and more knowledgable they would dump these Retrumplican clowns and rebuild the Republican party from scratch.

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      It intentional semantic drift and has been happening for a very long time. They erode harsh terms with hyperbole and make normal positions seem extreme by stereotype and strawman. That’s why I prefer specifying that I’m Mutualist rather than explain how the terms socialist/capitalist have drifted out of dichotomy or how the term anarchist and libertarian have become parodies of themselves.

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        Modern Libertariansm is ridiculous. Libertarianism is far better aligned with socialism (where the people do the work and most of the the benefit stays with the people) than it is with either communism (where the people do the work and most of the benefit goes to the government/plutocrats) or capitalism (where the people do the work and most of the benefit goes to the wealthy/oligarchs.) Modern Libertarians are extremist right wing capitalist stooges.

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          Your definition of communism further proves the earlier point about semantic drift. All of these terms are problematic because of their histories in the past 200 years.

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            That is not a definition of communism. It is a reduction based on the definition. It is also perfectly representative of every modern communist regime.

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              It’s a reduction based on the history of regimes that call themselves communist… You don’t see a problem here? Maybe I’m just being pedantic but Marxian communism doesn’t have anything in common with any form of government in history. It’s more of an idealized state (state meaning condition, not polity). Nobody, apart from so-called primitive communist societies, can claim to be communist.

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                … I’m just being pedantic …

                And trying to derail the conversation by distracting from my point which was that modern libertarians are extremist right wing capitalist stooges.

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    Republican and Democrat parties are Traitors to the Republic. Give Nancy and McConnel the Gallows.

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      I have a better idea than the gallows. Give them a minimum wage job that deals with customers.

      A small one bedroom apartment thrown is as well, and no access to their money for a few years. just their minimum wage.

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    Capitalism (or at least the current form of it) and right-wing parties should be illegalized worldwide.

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        It isn’t feasible, period, until Socialism is achieved, which requires a smashing of the bourgeois state and a replacement with a democratic worker-government.

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          I wholeheartedly agree with you.

          I just put increased class consciousness as a prerequisite to ending capitalism.

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    Close y’all are almost as bad as Republicans but not quite. It’s still hella embarrassing to be associated with the democrats though.

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      Yeah, the larval stage of fascism at least pretends to care about human rights, even if they’re not great about actually doing anything about them.

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    And it doesn’t make communism sound scary at all, but rather mysterious, alluring, and worth checking out.

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        And after looking into it, we find that the Soviets never really achieved communism in anything but name. Once again, like the feudal state they rebelled against before, it was rule by dictatorship, and rations for the people. They just couldn’t give up the idea of a strongman. The people by no means ever owned the means of production in the USSR. Of course, we can never confirm that communism is inherently untenable from their example. The capitalist nations were no help at all, and forced the Soviets to waste resources on a strong military. But even despite their failings, communism was still the best thing to ever happen to Russia. Unfortunately, Russia was also the worst thing that ever happened to communism.

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          It was not a feudal state. It was roughly similar to post-slavery South in the USA.

          Yes, I already wrote they didn’t “achieve communism”. It’s the point of my text that they were promising it in the future in exchange for loyalty to a weird system in the present.

          Sorry, wrong comment.

          and forced the Soviets to waste resources on a strong military.

          Oh, so it’s “the capitalist nations”, not the way Soviet system worked, made this so expensive?

          But even despite their failings, communism was still the best thing to ever happen to Russia.

          Stolypin and Witte are generally considered something much, much better. The closest it came to a normal society with civilization potential.

          Unfortunately, Russia was also the worst thing that ever happened to communism.

          One could argue Khmer Rouge were that, but IRL communists’ incredible ability to just pretend it didn’t happen makes USSR the most notable example.

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          People who love arguing socialist states fail love to ignore that the reasons are 95% economic interference and outright military intervention or coups from capitalist countries.

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            The guy who answered you is actually right.

            Outright military interventions and coups are part of the package called the real world.

            Anyway, I would replace “capitalist” with “bandit” here. Because “capitalism” is just as square-abstract as “communism”, while IRL just as vulnerable to those.

            See, there’s an important thing called “feedback”. If there’s no feedback from you, your life doesn’t matter and you get stomped upon.

            60s-70s USSR had very weak feedback mechanisms, but still surprisingly better than today’s Russia. Some things that people just accept today would cause real protests there. Half the ministries would be paralyzed by people saying that following such a policy is against their conscience. I really believe that, yes.

            But then, due to its slow collapse and decay, those feedbacks becoming stronger started pushing for change that would deprive the ruling class - KGB and similar or related people, bureaucrats and relatives, anyway, the real structures usually don’t have names, - of power. That’s when that class hijacked the popular movement from the likes of Sakharov or Starovoitova and created modern post-Soviet states.

            Which means that it had blind zones with no feedbacks said class used. And the more centralist-bureaucratic and non-transparent a state is, the more blind zones it has.

            Anything that takes the power from being distributed between separate people and assembles it into one Moloch, calling it “power of the people”, controlled by hell knows whom, means that those people who actually have principles will get stomped.

            As we can see, though, same things happen in countries very far from being “communist” or “socialist”.

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              So i can come deflate your tires every night and tell everybody you’re a loser who doesn’t even know how to fill a tire then?

              If you knew how to take care of your car the tires wouldn’t be flat every morning. 🤷‍♂️

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                The result is that either you deal with the problem successfully, or you’ll be having flat tires every morning.

                Is that so hard to understand?

                Amazing…

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          Not arguing anything with you stranger. I know what we’re told in the states, but I don’t think things are quite what we’re told they are.

          Just want to share this declassified documents straight from cia’s website. The first little blurb says Stalin wasn’t really a dictator. Do with that what you will. ✌️

          https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf

          Also the USSR was a socialisy state, not communist. Communism is a stateless society by definition. The word socialist is literally one of the s’s in USSR.

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            Stalin wasn’t a dictator in the sense that he didn’t have absolute power, but in the sense that everyone at the top agreed dissenters belong in slave camps he was absolutely the head of state of an authoritarian system, which most folks are happy to call a dictator.

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    Communists just think you are a little bit thick and/or uneducated. Maybe a little bit cute. Like a child who doesn’t know what words mean.

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    Fucking commies, taking our tea and throwing it overboard just because they didn’t want to pay taxes. We should send an armada to put them all in jail.

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      Look, when Britain taxed our tea, we got frisky…Imagine what’ll happen when they try to tax our whiskey!

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    Im not offended as much as I am disappointed in the Democrat party, why aren’t they as cool as the Republican say they are. Whenever Trump calls them “far left communists” I think “damn I wish”, instead they’re boring center right liberals. Also I was promised by Trump that the Democrats would end capitalism, kill capitalists, instiute a worker owned economy, open the borders to immigration, enforce Trans rights, promote actual diversity, and unify the left under the red banner.

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      Dems are as cool as republicans because they’re the same thing. The dems aren’t going to call republicans fascist because the dems share all the same symptoms. They’re not going to call out the republicans for supporting genocide because they also support genocide. They’re not going to call out republicans on supporting the prison state because dems also support the prison state. The dems aren’t going to criticize the republicans for serving capital because the dems serve capital. Etc.

      You gotta realize these politicians are agreeing on much much more than they disagree. It’s what’s not debated that’s most important.

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      Teenager energy right here, apparently functioning everyday life is boring and some wanna make some french style revolution cause raging hormones and underdeveloped brain. I promise you grow out of it though

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          I am very sorry for you. Let’s make a total revolution then and upend everything because Cowbee cannot function

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                  I provide service of housing in the capital city near best jobs and nightlife to 10 people. Not many want to bother even but thanks to me people have opportunity to better their lives.

                  I could just sell it all and buy some lazy stocks or the like and not even bother. It’s actually a bit of work to keep it all operational and provide these accommodations

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          I am and it’s fucking great lemme tell you that. You should try it some time

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            I am and it’s fucking great lemme tell you that. You should try it some time

            Now that is teenager energy.

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            That is insanely out of touch, oh yeah ill just casually aquire capital because I have millions of dollars lying around. It ain’t like im struggling with low wages and an incredibly high cost of living. Consider talking to people outside of your circle of capitalists and maybe try talking to some working class people.

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              Idk my cost of living is like low as fuck 1000$ maybe maximum.

              No one of you even asked or stated where you live so this whole discussion doesn’t even make sense from the start.

              You are just so self centered to assume everyone is American westoid it’s not even funny

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                It doesn’t matter where you live, be it the US, Europe, or Australia, the cost of living is factually speaking going up in all capitalist countries while wages stagnate. The vast majority of people cannot afford to own capital, basic Capitalist economics state that the working class does not own the means of production. Also why did you just assume im American?

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        Coming off as your accusations here

        wanna make some french style revolution

        And not smart enough to keep your ignorance of history under your hat to boot

        great first impression

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          Well I guess there are exceptions. I blame trans/lgbt internet bubbles where desperate flock to. If no one loves you except commies you kinda are bound to become one permanently. Almost happened here too

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            I can tell you from personal experence that Trans/LGBT bubbles as you call it, are incredably liberal and very rarely communist, Second have you considered why they are desperate, or was that enough for you to dismiss them. Third… do you know what Communism is? fourth, do you mean “here too” as you almost became a communist, or where you live almost did fifth, please learn what communism is, and also understand why there are spaces like the LGBT spaces,

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              I see that the red army dogs have responded to my calls. Good. The more the merrier

              This is what lemmy excels at. You can be sure that there is a horde of commies waiting for a call to brigade some comment that tovarish designated

              Of course you are all theoretical communists, probably neeting. First to the wall

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                First, finaly someone noticed my username so thank you for starting your correct accusation of me being a communist origionaly at my name and not my instence

                second, no one told me to orde or brigade, did I post alot to you, yes but that is because as I was reading through this it was your posts that seemed to make me the most upset, or give me the urge to talk to. I have no idea who this Tovarish is, no would I follow them with no reason

                last, what do you mean “theoretical communist” this seems like something that you can throw that is desinged to picit in such a way that it becomes unfalsifyable, let alsone your last part makes it so that the only way to falsify your claim is to atleast partialy dox myself. I can tell you I am in both education and trade if that makes you feel any better, beyond that I do not feel it wise to scream it on the internet.

                this also answers none of the things I brought up, other than welcoming me, a thing I do want to thank you for you did nothing but accuse me of brigading, having no mind of my own, and not being a real comunist. I fail to see how this is productive

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                  Well it certainly made you to produce some big wall of text that’s a bit too long to indulge reading

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            This is some of the dumbest shit I’ve read in a while.

            You have both such a narrow understanding of political positions as well as, seemingly, a narrow perspective of other people’s lives.

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        It’s just an hyperbole about how leftists feel about vaguely centrist policies.

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      Bro, they genuinely just don’t know what words mean. Source: My Never Trumper dad who unironically called Trump a communist.

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    Democrats: “let’s pass some reasonable reforms to temper the ill effects of deregulated capitalism”

    Republicans: “that’s socialism and you’re a Marxist!”

    Youth: “we want reform so I guess we like socialism!”

    Republicans: “the radical left is indoctrinating our kids!”

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    Can confirm. Every time the reps call Kamala a “comrade” or “Communist” I die a little bit inside.

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      When I heard Trump calling her “Marxis-Leninist” I was like mate you don’t even know the beginning of the beginning of even socialism.

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      “Explain to me what you think a communist is”

      I guarantee they give a wrong answer if they can even figure one out.

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        To be fair, most people on Lemmy.world can’t either. The vast majority of people in the west have not read Marx, or if they have done so, they have only read the Communist Manifesto perhaps once. Communism is so thoroughly demonized in the Imperial Core that only a minor fraction have even read Marx, and only a fraction among them have read more than just the CM.

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      They’re using a word their base is afraid of to paint their enemies in a negative light.

      Their words aren’t for any of us.

      They’ll change to using anarchist satanists or whatever once their base has reached somatic satiation and “communist” no longer generates enough of the right dopamine hit.

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          Agreed … but it’s also kind of meaningless. Which it my point. It’s an emotion generating word. Not a “communicating an idea or concept” word. So when it’s said it’s only ever really used to make you react emotionally.

          But you can only get so worked up with only one “hate” word. To continue the cycle they gotta add new ones to keep you keyed up.

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            The right doesn’t care about the idea or concept, if they found out that blurting out the meaningless phrase ‘Blaguoasrunt’ at a loud volume triggered people, they would do it, it would catch on, and people would make merchandise about it.

            Regressive communications are the death of meaning, and I do not mean that casually. They take words and abuse them so much that everyone else stops caring about the word, regardless of what it meant before.

            The word ‘Patriot’ is a great example. No one I know would appreciate that title because constant right wing misuse of it has twisted its meaning even in common phrases.

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        Oh I’m aware, believe me. The world would be a much better place if Kamala was actually a Communist is what I’m saying.

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          If Kamala had tried to do anything vaguely socialist while AG or Senator, they’d have gakked her like they did Harvey Milk.

          Silicon Valley leadership wants to turn California into a fully techno-fascist dystopia. Nobody who has climbed the ladder as Dem, Repub, or Indie politician has lasted long against that effort. Harris isn’t an exception. She’s the kind of politician a state produces when anyone more liberal than Gruesome Newsome is systematically excluded from the party.

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        Or they’ll get lucky and a new term like Trans or BLM will come along.

        Hate is hate. People that hate will hate. Societies that don’t respond quickly and firmly to reduce hate will grow more hate. Etc .

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          Ideas come from material conditions, hatred of trans people, black people, etc. is a result of rising fascism due to decay in Capitalism and proletarianization of the Petite Bourgeoisie.

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            Yeah. Good ol fear leading to authoritarianism. One day maybe humans will able to teach enough history to enough humans living on earth at one time to finally learn to not repeat these cycles…

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                Indeed, but just to be sure, is the meaning the same? The lower fringe/extremity of the bourgeoisie, often with more cultural capital than economical (teachers, non-pauperized nurses, young journalists, PhD in social sciences, etc.), joyfully rebellious but also with high levels of strict adherence to the established order, main agents of the gentrification of formerly popular urban neighborhood but whose younger generations can sometimes adhere to revolutionary perspectives, strongly despised by orthodox marxists while being the primary audience of such movements/orgs?

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                  Generally the Petitie Bourgeoisie are the lower stratum of the Bourgeoisie proper who are proletatianized by the formation of Monopoly Capitalism, ie small business owners.

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    Democrats should ask themselves why Republicans are more worried about imaginary communists than actual Democrats

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      Is this a genuine comment? Or some n-th level joke I’m too normie understand?

      Because it reads to me like you’re trying to redirect a tired, Comservative refrain that anything politically Left of Reagonomics is Communism (which hails back to the Cold War and the Red Scare) into some dogwhistle admission by the GOP that they are the same as the DNP and are, in fact, actually worried about Communists.

      Which sounds ridiculous.

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        Dog whistle admission? No I don’t think that republicans and democrats believe they are the “same” and I don’t think that communists believe that GOP and dems believe that about themselves. Some young online communists might believe that Republicans and democrats are the same, since they are both capitalist parties, but that’s kind of a coarse analysis and I don’t think its great messaging.

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          Then I’ll have to ask you what the original comment meant as you’ve denied the only obvious take I could read from it.

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            Seems to me like they’re simply implying that the GOP knows they can’t beat Democrats on policy so they create this Communist Strawman to scare their constituents. It’s pretty basic GOP SOP.

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            Republicans aren’t afraid of democrats because dems aren’t a threat to republican power. Republican policy threatens the lives of millions of women, children, bipoc, lgbtq+, etc., but dems can only stave off the worst abuses, such as a second trump term (they’d better be able to, so far looks like he’s cooked) or launch a campaign once the rights have been taken away. And yes its true, republicans and democrats get funding from many of the same sources, democrats have even funded goofball republicans they thought would be easier to defeat (see desantis, trump). Republicans have nothing to fear from a democrat. I am wishing that democrats were more self reflective of these reasons and many others; but rather than do an ounce of self reflection “the only obvious” take you could get made no sense. Its sadly quite telling, as to how otherwise good, intelligent people are able to believe and adhere to the nonexistent “back to brunch” political program of the democrats.

            Hope that clarifies my perspective for you a smidge

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              No it doesn’t, it doesn’t clarify anything. So far you’ve completely avoided anything that the other person brought up. You haven’t established what your point actually is, you’ve just gone on and on and I can’t tell if you’re trying to suggest that Dems are unaware that Reps create strawmen or you actually believe that Reps should be afraid of communists.

              Neither make sense. I don’t know what you’re trying to say, and I’m a third party - please help me.

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          It’s probably the whole “yeh, still capitalism. Still big oil. Still big pharma. Still genocide and world-police”.
          And you show that Dems are better on all those things. But because Dems don’t fully SOLVE 4/4 of them, it doesn’t matter who you vote for because you still get fucked.

          It’s bullshit.
          Dems have more social benefit policies and track record of social improvements than reps.
          ACA, vet funding/care, insulin etc pricing, student loans. Hopefully things like unions, but idk if I have been caught up in propaganda that Dems don’t care about unions.

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            That’s a desperate list. Student loans, eh?

            The only real form of vet care is abolishing imperialism and the military.