• من البحر إلى النهر@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I’m surprised it is this low.

    Edit: the comments are hell. But what else to except from propagandized westerners that never cared to know from Arabs.

    I wish our leaders had a sense of shame or honour, instead many of them are collaborators.

    “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

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      6 months ago

      Not to be pedantic but I’d to clarify one aspect that not many people know.

      He was right, except for one. At least from the perspective of those Muslim Arab leaders:

      Our God is not theirs.

      Islam is an Abrahamic religion, regarded by the Muslim as a continuation of the Abrahamic religions before it. So the muslim regard themselves as having the same god as the Jews and the Christians. Thus, the prophets of the Jewish religion (and even the prophets of the Christianity, Jesus) are also regarded as prophets in Islam. Many of them are mentioned in Quran in good faith. The main difference is the jewish doesn’t recognize Muhammad as their prophet while the Muslim regards Muhammad as the last prophet in addition to those before him.

    • Vub@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      What do you mean? The fascist islamist terrorists of Hamas wanted Israel to retaliate? For what reason? I think you give them too much credit, they just took an opportunity to kill as many as they could.

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      6 months ago

      I don’t think you want to play the game of who can show who did worse things.

      It is Israel, 100%.

      Israel has killed 20 times that number and leveled whole families and neighborhoods slaughtering tons of innocent children.

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    6 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The al-Aqsa Mosque has been a source of tension as it is located above the Temple Mount, a holy site for both Jews and Christians.

    While non-Muslims now have permission to attend their holy site via the Moors Gate, they are forbidden from praying there which has created increased tension.

    Palestinians, before October 7, had been permitted to enter Israel with proper documentation for work, medical treatments or for other reasons.

    When asked about the responses of regional and international powers to the war, 94% said they considered the United States position negatively, with 82% clarifying they thought it was bad.

    The same trend continued for other Western countries with 79%, 78%, and 75% of respondents viewed the positions of France, the UK, and Germany negatively.

    In a different survey response, 81% said that they did not believe the US was serious about establishing a Palestinian state and 77% of respondents named the US and Israel as the biggest threat to the security and stability of the region.


    The original article contains 666 words, the summary contains 168 words. Saved 75%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • Izzgo@kbin.social
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    6 months ago

    Yes it was legitimate. Stupid too. Because of course Israel would respond in this over-the-top manner.

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      6 months ago

      Their attacks on military bases were legitimate, but attacking civilian populations was not and should never be tolerated. Even if you want to say that the settlers are not civilians (at least it has some logic, unlike israel’s excuses), they killed indiscriminately, including tens of children.

  • Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Nobody hates Palestinians more than other Arabs. This was never about them, it was always about hate for Israel.

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    6 months ago

    You know polls are utterly unscientific tea-leaf reading right?

    57% sounds empirical and they even have cool little charts to go with it. Best case scenario it was: you got someone who doesn’t want to talk to you to talk to you for five minutes, or you set the stage for a talkative bastard to talkative bastard at you until you can break free. Neither are particularly good windows into their actual thoughts about Thing X but furthermore all the responses usually total like 0.000028% of the population.

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      6 months ago

      You know polls are utterly unscientific tea-leaf reading right?

      Lmao

      Maths is unscientific now

      E: To any downvoters: you are stupid.

      Polling is just maths, and is very reliable so long as it’s done reasonably.

      By all means have reservations of this poll specifically, but to call polls in general or as a concept “unscientific tea leaf reading” is foolish. Disagreeing with that mathematical fact is exactly the same as disagreeing that 5 + 5 = 10.

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              6 months ago

              When did I mention faked polls? You’re just making up shit now.

              You’re either a troll or stupid if you don’t think polling is mathematics.

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                6 months ago

                Russia polled in villages that they captured that Ukrainians actually want to be annexed by Russia. Can’t argue with math right?

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                  6 months ago

                  Good strawman. I never said that polls can’t have a selection bias.

                  I said thinking polls in general or polls as a concept are tea leaf reading is stupid. Because it is. If you believe that, you’re a moron. You may as well say you disagree with the concept that 5 + 5 is 10.

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    6 months ago

    To me, the crazy thing is that 33% of the Arab world doesn’t think it was legitimate resistance.

    The October 7th attack was clearly terrorism. But to have such a big percentage of the Arab world seem to agree with that, even in such an insanely one-sided situation as the ongoing occupation of Gaza, means:

    A lot of people want peace.

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      6 months ago

      I think it is interesting how many people think there will ever be peace while Hamas is in charge, or that Hamas will ever let someone else be in charge.

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        6 months ago

        Nobody in power ever “lets” someone else have it instead.

        On the first part, I agree; both Likud and Hamas are hell-bent on this outcome. If only the one of them would stop giving the other money to keep them both going.

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          6 months ago

          Nobody in power ever “lets” someone else have it instead.

          Peaceful transition of power is a cornerstone of democracies

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            6 months ago

            I actually hesitated to write what I wrote for that exact reason… but I decided that there’s enough implied threat of everyone else just removing you anyway and you looking stupid and maybe going to prison that you can’t actually call it “voluntary.” Trump tried his absolute very best to simply refuse to go along with the peaceful transition of power and he still got power-transitioned out.

            I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you; I do think a lot of the theater of concession speeches and other trappings that go with peaceful transitions in countries far from Palestine is super important. But I think Trump actually did a pretty good job (so far, fingers crossed) at illustrating that it’s not really voluntary for the departing president to agree to leave.

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    6 months ago

    Considering how the Arab world at large never agreed with the terms of Israel’s conquest, this makes sense.

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      6 months ago

      Pretty sure jews around the world never agree with the war that was brought to them the moment country was formed.

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      When you’re defending beheading children as “legitimate resistance” when you should probably take a step back and take a long hard look at yourself.

      And no, before idiots come along and say dumb shit… That doesn’t mean I’m defending Israel’s actions either. It’s possible to dislike both situations.

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        If they had any proof of “Beheading children” they would have submitted to the International Court of Justice. but they didn’t, they haven’t even dared use that sentence. but here your are parroting your Zionist Hasbara Lies and defending a genocidal agenda that have been in the working for over a century

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    6 months ago

    A: raping and brutally killing is legitimate for what you do to us!

    B: launching rockets on your civilian buildings is legitimate for what you do to us!

    and goes on and on…

    Edit: downvoted because I just triggered both parties

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    6 months ago

    There is a good saying that Palestinians are like a rag for the rest of the Arab world: when they need to clean their shoes with it, they use it and are happy that they have it and then they throw it away and forget about it.

    Unfortunately, this is not the case only with Arabs…